Trevor Gore wrote:
Yellow box?
Yellow box? I don't recognize the name, that must be one of those Australian woods
Any pictures?
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| Author: | Jim Kirby [ Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Number 9 (number 9, number 9, ...) finished, a blanca |
Finally got this one off the bench. It was supposed to be done by may 2012 so I could take it with me on a two month trip to Spain, but when it didn't get done in time, it dropped to zero priority since there is no flamenco community around here to speak of. The guitar is built according to the GAL 1952 Marcelo Barbero plan. This is a little unusual for a flamenco guitar as it has very heavy top and back compared to the norm. I think Barbero knew something about reflective backs and projection that other flamenco builders may not have bought into - this thing is a canon. (I think it was at OLF that someone told me to build it the way the plan said rather than lightening it up to more average flamenco standards. They were right!) I learned some hard lessons along the way. (This was my first in Spanish Cypress) (1) cypress tears out easily. (2) cypress and CA should never be in the same room together (hard realization for a dedicated CA binding installer). CA goes right through cypress and leaves an orange blotchy stain that also goes right through. But what the heck, it sounds good. Cypress from Akustikwood in Turkey, Carpathian spruce from Art Royter (Eurotonewood), cedro from Hibdon, FP technique thanks to Robbie. BRW headplate and bridge. No sound sample unless you want to hear me do lame strumming of Soleá chords. Attachment: P1010002.JPG Attachment: P1010005.JPG Attachment: P1010007.JPG
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| Author: | Joe Beaver [ Tue Aug 06, 2013 8:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Number 9 (number 9, number 9, ...) finished, a blanca |
Oh yes !!!! Its a beauty. |
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| Author: | Jim Kirby [ Tue Aug 06, 2013 8:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Number 9 (number 9, number 9, ...) finished, a blanca |
I like the binding scheme but I've been told that the self-binding in cypress won't hold up. I'd love to hear suggestions about alternates that would be close enough in color that you couldn't tell the difference. |
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| Author: | WaddyThomson [ Tue Aug 06, 2013 8:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Number 9 (number 9, number 9, ...) finished, a blanca |
Very nice, Jim! You might have gotten away with Maple bindings, though I might have preferred a dark binding, like EIR. or Cocobolo. |
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| Author: | Jim Kirby [ Tue Aug 06, 2013 8:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Number 9 (number 9, number 9, ...) finished, a blanca |
Dark bindings would be standard, but I was shooting for something different. Maple too light. canary wood? |
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| Author: | Trevor Gore [ Tue Aug 06, 2013 10:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Number 9 (number 9, number 9, ...) finished, a blanca |
Yellow box? It will start out too yellow, but the cypress will catch up - eventually. |
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| Author: | Colin North [ Wed Aug 07, 2013 4:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Number 9 (number 9, number 9, ...) finished, a blanca |
Nice nice nice!! |
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| Author: | ernie [ Wed Aug 07, 2013 6:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Number 9 (number 9, number 9, ...) finished, a blanca |
nice job jim, vy traditional. |
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| Author: | Jim Kirby [ Wed Aug 07, 2013 7:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Number 9 (number 9, number 9, ...) finished, a blanca |
Trevor Gore wrote: Yellow box? Yellow box? I don't recognize the name, that must be one of those Australian woods Any pictures?
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| Author: | MaxBishop [ Wed Aug 07, 2013 8:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Number 9 (number 9, number 9, ...) finished, a blanca |
Great looking guitar, Jim. What's the thickness of the back? Max |
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| Author: | Jim Kirby [ Wed Aug 07, 2013 10:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Number 9 (number 9, number 9, ...) finished, a blanca |
Max, 2.5 to 2.6 mm for the back. Heavy for a flamenco, as is the top at 2.25 mm, but that's the way the original was built and I'd be the last to say now that it isn't right. |
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| Author: | Jim Watts [ Wed Aug 07, 2013 10:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Number 9 (number 9, number 9, ...) finished, a blanca |
That's really nice Jim! |
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| Author: | George L [ Wed Aug 07, 2013 11:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Number 9 (number 9, number 9, ...) finished, a blanca |
A lovely blonde guitar. The way you carried the center detail on the back up through the heel cap is just one of many touches that make this instrument so pleasing to the eye. Well done! |
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| Author: | Pat Foster [ Wed Aug 07, 2013 11:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Number 9 (number 9, number 9, ...) finished, a blanca |
Nice, nice! I like the simple visuals. Elegant. Pat |
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| Author: | Jim Kirby [ Wed Aug 07, 2013 11:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Number 9 (number 9, number 9, ...) finished, a blanca |
Thanks everyone. It makes me want to leap right into the next one, but it will be a while as two requests for regular old rosewood classicals are in line. |
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| Author: | Tony_in_NYC [ Wed Aug 07, 2013 2:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Number 9 (number 9, number 9, ...) finished, a blanca |
Great job Jim! I can't wait to get started on mine from the wood you sold me! It looks very similar to your set here! |
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| Author: | mkellyvrod [ Wed Aug 07, 2013 2:38 pm ] |
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Jim, I know everyone has different tastes, but I really, really like the binding ![[:Y:]](./images/smilies/smiley20.gif "Thumbs Up") , and the cedar makes for a light weight guitar. Good choices all around IMO.
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| Author: | Trevor Gore [ Wed Aug 07, 2013 7:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Number 9 (number 9, number 9, ...) finished, a blanca |
Jim Kirby wrote: Trevor Gore wrote: Yellow box? Yellow box? I don't recognize the name, that must be one of those Australian woods Any pictures?Ah, sorry. I can see how that could be confusing. Yellow Box is a Eucalypt, Eucalyptus melliodora, grows locally, not bad for estate work, limbs used for firewood (heats my place), makes for delicious honey, but that's not what I meant.  What I meant was (yellow) boxwood Buxus sempervirens, typically used for the "white" pieces of old chess sets (when the black ones were ebony) and school rulers, if you're old enough to remember those. Pic here. It varies in the intensity of the yellow, some being fairly blonde, some being quite yellow. It tends to hold its colour well. It's hard, works well and bends well. |
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| Author: | Jim Kirby [ Thu Aug 08, 2013 6:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Number 9 (number 9, number 9, ...) finished, a blanca |
Thanks martin. Trevor, thanks for the clarification and link. I'm thinking maybe Osage is another candidate. I wonder if Bob C has any stray bits lying around. Tony - yes, it's a set from the same shipment. Can't wait to see how yours comes out. In the picture of the butt end of mine, note the tear outs on the right side of the picture. Careful with denting, careful with scraping. I think I'd mainly stick to sanding. It's gorgeous when done though. Makes you wonder how it got a bad rep. as a classical wood (Well, cultural of course.) |
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| Author: | mqbernardo [ Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:47 am ] |
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Nice once Jim. I like the clear bindings. In fact i seem to prefer it on a blanca. cheers, Miguel. |
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| Author: | Jim Kirby [ Fri Aug 09, 2013 9:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Number 9 (number 9, number 9, ...) finished, a blanca |
Thanks Miguel. I still like it even after having looked at it enough to have fully absorbed it's novelty. I don't think I'd go back to a dark binding unless a customer said I had to. I did just pick up an Osage stick (a bow stave, actually - nice because it's split for it's entire length to get zero runout) and I'm going to try this for binding and trim on the next one. That ought to solve the concern over fragility, and hopefully the color will be close enough. |
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| Author: | Darrel Friesen [ Tue Aug 13, 2013 7:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Number 9 (number 9, number 9, ...) finished, a blanca |
Trevor Gore wrote: Jim Kirby wrote: Trevor Gore wrote: Yellow box? Yellow box? I don't recognize the name, that must be one of those Australian woods Any pictures?Ah, sorry. I can see how that could be confusing. Yellow Box is a Eucalypt, Eucalyptus melliodora, grows locally, not bad for estate work, limbs used for firewood (heats my place), makes for delicious honey, but that's not what I meant. What I meant was (yellow) boxwood Buxus sempervirens, typically used for the "white" pieces of old chess sets (when the black ones were ebony) and school rulers, if you're old enough to remember those. Pic here. It varies in the intensity of the yellow, some being fairly blonde, some being quite yellow. It tends to hold its colour well. It's hard, works well and bends well. If it's the same as my old Marples chisel handles, it's wonderful stuff. |
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| Author: | dzsmith [ Wed Aug 14, 2013 6:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Number 9 (number 9, number 9, ...) finished, a blanca |
I love it Jim! The color is amazing. The number "9" must be lucky or have some mystical power. Dan |
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| Author: | Ken Franklin [ Thu Aug 15, 2013 3:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Number 9 (number 9, number 9, ...) finished, a blanca |
You could try Ceylon satinwood. |
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| Author: | Jim Kirby [ Thu Aug 15, 2013 9:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Number 9 (number 9, number 9, ...) finished, a blanca |
Thanks Dan. My osage orange bow stave arrived, and I think it will do just fine as a source for the next generation of bindings. |
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